Interview and DOUBLE GIVEAWAY with author Sandra Nickel about her newest picture book The Stuff Between the Stars: How Vera Rubin Discovered Most of the Universe, illustrated by Aimée Sicuro

Hi Math is Everywhere Readers,

Today is extra special because we get to chat about a true shining star of Women’s History Month: Vera Rubin! And we get to talk about this wonderful woman with another talented star: writer Sandra Nickel, whose first picture book, Nacho’s Nachos was named, among other accolades, as a Best Picture Book of 2020 by Kirkus Reviews and a finalist for the SCBWI Golden Kite Award. Today, we’ll touch on Sandra’s other stories, but we’ll focus on The Stuff Between the Stars: How Vera Rubin Discovered Most of the Universe, illustrated by Aimée Sicuro.

Book description:

(From the jacket flap)

Before Vera Rubin discovered most of the universe, she was a girl who loved the night sky. She watched the Big Dipper circle the North Star. And when her eyelids grew heavy, she dreamed not about what she had seen, but about what she had not seen. She dreamed about the mysteries between the stars.

As Vera grew older, she tried to uncover those mysteries. At her first conference, the male astronomers said her ideas were “outlandish.” They said they were “ridiculous.” Vera didn’t like their harsh words, pushing her away. So she started studying far away galaxies no one else was interested in. The youngest wheeled like pinwheels. The oldest spun with their arms closed tight. And every single one showed that between the stars, there is stuff we cannot see. Scientists before Vera had suspected this “dark matter” made up most of the universe. But no one had been able to show it was there. No one, until Vera.

The Stuff Between the Stars tells Vera’s incredible story, celebrates her brilliance, and shows how a girl’s never-ending love for the night sky changed the way we see our universe today.

Kaitlyn: Hi, Sandra, thanks so much for joining us today!

Sandra: It’s my absolute pleasure. Thank you for inviting me.

Kaitlyn: Thank you for agreeing to share about your wonderful books! To start off, can you share what inspired you to write this beautiful book?

Sandra: It all started with a New York Times eulogy that came out two days after Vera Rubin died. It talked about how she revolutionized modern physics and astronomy. Yet, as I read, Vera  was so relatable. She moved slowly in her career as she raised four kids. She still got excited by small scientific discoveries. She wondered whether she was fascinated by galaxies simply because they were beautiful. And she also struggled, as many women struggled, in a male-dominated field. In fact, even after she proved the existence of dark matter, she was passed over time and again for the Nobel Prize in Physics, as it was given to men for a good forty years and never a woman. 

Kaitlyn: Wow, she is so inspiring! I can see why you wanted to research her more and share her powerful story with kids. Can you share why you think this book is so important to share with children? 

Sandra: First off, they should know the name of Vera Rubin because of the magnitude of her discovery. The New York Times said she helped usher in a “Copernican-scale change in cosmic consciousness.” What this means is that her discovery is as big as Copernicus realizing the sun doesn’t orbit the earth. But even more importantly, Vera Rubin is an extraordinary role model for children. She didn’t like the harshness and competitiveness of the male astronomers, so she quietly studied what none of them were interested in. She found her own way doing things. And by doing that, she discovered something immense. 

Kaitlyn: That’s such a beautiful way to think of things: find your own lane while also helping others. What a wonderful thing to share with children! I have to tell you when I saw the opening pages of the book, I literally gasped. The stars are just stunning, like their own galaxies, and as beautiful as a painting. Then, as the book progresses, the art mimics your beautiful space analogies, did you imagine the art would be able to match your words so well?

Art by Aimée Sicuro

Sandra: Thank you so much for noticing this. I worked hard at developing imagery that could be translated into visual metaphors. Even some adults struggle to understand dark matter. So, I knew the combination of literary and artistic imagery would be important. Did I imagine the beauty of what Aimee Sicuro would create? Never. Her work is wholly unique and gorgeous–unbelievably so.

Kaitlyn: Yes! Her work (as well as your wonderfully written imagery, as well) is stunning! Also, I got the chills when I read your art note about Vera being a “guiding light” to an entire generation of female astronomers. Can you share a bit about this quote?

Sandra: Vera felt a deep responsibility for young female scientists. Her daughter, Judith, also became an astronomer. When Judith told Vera that she was often the only woman at large conferences of men, Vera was demoralized. She had been the first woman astronomer to achieve so much, but a generation later, nothing had changed. Vera began actively going out of her way to make sure young female scientists received fellowships. At awards time, she picked up the phone to ensure committees had at least one woman on their lists of nominees. She worked very hard to elevate women. With this book, I’m trying to do the same.

Art by Aimée Sicuro

Kaitlyn: Isn’t it amazing how our children often are the catalyst to such great change? I love this! Now, do you mind sharing who your editor is for this story, and what you enjoy about working with this editor?

Sandra: My editor is Maggie Lehrman at Abrams. Maggie is very astute at understanding how a story can be more than it is. In fact, it was Maggie who encouraged me to further develop the imagery that linked Vera’s life and work. One of the reasons I love working with her is that she and I have similar sensibilities relating to children’s literature. We both are products of Vermont College of Fine Arts.

Kaitlyn: It sounds like you two have a lovely working relationship! What a pleasure when you’re creating something so beautiful for kids. Can you share who your literary agent is and why you enjoy working with her?

Sandra: My agent is Victoria Wells Arms. I know different people look for different things in agents. It was important for me to have someone who was smart, who knew children’s publishing backwards and forwards, who would make editing suggestions when they were needed. But most of all, it was important for me to have someone who wasn’t simply an agent, but who was also a friend. Victoria is that, in spades. I’m so lucky to be with her.

Kaitlyn: Aww, that’s the BEST! I’m so glad you found the perfect match for you and your work, and thanks for sharing. Many of the Math is Everywhere readers are learning about what it’s like to have an agent, so this is wonderful insight. Can you share a bit more insight? What it was like to find out that your first book, illustrated by Oliver Dominguez, won such wonderful accolades?

Sandra: Honestly, the starred review, the Best Books, the Golden Kite finalist each came as a surprise. Since Nacho’s Nachos was my first book, I thought nobody would notice it. Each time somebody did, I could barely believe it. That said, I am thrilled beyond words, because each accolade means more people know about Nacho Anaya. He deserves to be known far and wide for the joyous snack he gave to us all.

Kaitlyn: You can’t get any better than that! And I adore that your focus isn’t on your book, but on the subject of your book–who is so cool, by the way, thank you for introducing me to Nacho! Can you share a bit about your next book?

Sandra: Next up is Breaking Through the Clouds: The Sometimes Turbulent Life of Meteorologist Joanne Simpson. Joanne was a contemporary of Vera and a female pioneer in meteorology. In fact, she is the first woman to earn a doctorate in meteorology. Like Vera, she faced immense resistance from the men in her field. Nevertheless, her work with clouds was groundbreaking and sparked a new branch of science. Also like Vera, Joanne was a huge supporter of women. One female meteorologist, who thrived thanks to Joanne, said Joanne didn’t simply blaze a trail for women, “she blazed a road.” 

Kaitlyn: “She blazed a road.” What an absolutely beautiful way to share how much she did! I CANNOT WAIT to read Breaking Through the Clouds: The Sometimes Turbulent Life of Meteorologist Joanne Simpson! Finally, if you could spend a day with your favorite author or illustrator, would you sit by a fireside and chat or go out on an adventure together?

Sandra: Both. We would go on an adventure that we could laugh about at the end of the day–next to a warm hearth, naturally.

Kaitlyn: Naturally! Hahaha!Thanks so much again for joining us and sharing such wonderful insight today!

Sandra: Thank you, Kaitlyn. I’ve enjoyed every minute with you.

Kaitlyn: Aw, you’re too sweet, same for me; it’s been such a joy! Thank you for all your fantastic passion for getting so many untold stories into the world; you’re definitely an author to watch for great books!

To Get A Copy of The Stuff Between the Stars: How Vera Rubin Discovered Most of the Universe

Abrams: (from here you can click through to your favorite online bookseller)


Sandra Nickel writes books and poetry for young readers. In 2021, she has two books coming out: The Stuff Between the Stars: How Vera Rubin Discovered Most of the Universe (Abrams), and Breaking Through the Clouds: The Sometimes Turbulent Life of Meteorologist Joanne Simpson (Abrams). Sandra’s poetry can be found in SCOOP magazine. Sandra holds an MFA from Vermont College of Fine Arts and has presented workshops on writing for children and young adults throughout Europe and the United States. Sandra is a two-time winner of the Katherine Paterson Prize for picture books and a finalist for the Society of Children’s Book Writers and Illustrators Golden Kite Award.



Kaitlyn review of The Stuff Between the Stars: How Vera Rubin Discovered Most of the Universe 

Stunning! From the art to the imagery to the wonderful subject of Vera Rubin, this book is absolutely stunning. Every library–home, school, public–should have a copy. Please share this inspiring story with everyone in your life.


Two INTERNATIONAL winners will receive a copy of The Stuff Between the Stars: How Vera Rubin Discovered Most of the Universe (as long as Book Depository delivers to your area).

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Thank you all for joining us today! I hope to see you soon and read some awesome stories and pitches soon, too!

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42 thoughts on “Interview and DOUBLE GIVEAWAY with author Sandra Nickel about her newest picture book The Stuff Between the Stars: How Vera Rubin Discovered Most of the Universe, illustrated by Aimée Sicuro

  1. I really want to read this book–I love finding women like this who are pioneers in science and math. I enjoy learning about space too. Congratulations on this beautiful book!

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  2. I’m happy to see Vera Rubin’s story told. She was an amazing woman and an inspiring scientist. I look forward to reading your new book. Great interview! Thanks!

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  3. Thank you for this interview, Kaitlyn. And congratulations on your new book, Sandra. The illustrations and imagery sound absolutely stunning. Your story and Vera’s are inspiring and empowering for me as I continue my own writing journey! I can relate to the idea of taking my time while raising children and yet still finding time for my passions. I look forward to sharing this story with my little ones.

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  4. I was inspired by Vera too. She was a trailblazer–but not in a bulldozing kind of way. She was a trailblazer because she found her own way of doing things that worked for HER–and of course led to the tiny little discovery of that thing called dark matter. Definitely take your time and find your own path. You will still have your stories when your kids are older.


  5. Kaitlyn, thank you so much for this interview and the time you gave to me and The Stuff Between the Stars. You are a star in your own right. I wish only the very best for you. 🌟 🌟 🌟


  6. Thanks you so much Kaitlyn and Sandra. I am looking forward to adding this magnificent book to our collection. Vera Rubin was certainly a trailblazer as well as role model ! I am adding this to my good reads list! 🙂

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  7. Wow! Two biographies that sound like MUST READS!! So inspiring. Women get the job done, you know? Put the The Stuff Between the Stars on my Goodreads TBR list. The second book doesn’t show up there yet. Congrats, Sandra, on a two-fer!! This year is your marketing year!

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    1. Thanks Jilanne!! The cover for Breaking Through the Clouds should be ready by the end of April. As soon as it’s done, Abrams should be putting it up. And ha! You are the first to notice the Vera-Carl connection! Way to go!

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  8. I LOVE picture book biographies and this one looks amazing! I’ve added it to my Goodreads list, requested for library purchase, and retweeted. Looking forward to reading and enjoying all those gorgeous illustrations!

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  9. Oooh, I love this so much! I can’t wait to read it and luckily I don’t have to wait long 🙂 b/c I just ordered it from Porter Square book (my local indie). Wednesday is virtual STEM Day at my kid’s school and I’ll be reading STEM picture books to first and second-graders for an hour. Now, I’m excited to include The Stuff Between the Stars in stack o’ STEM! This book looks gorgeous! I really enjoyed the interview, thanks for sharing with us!

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  10. Wow! This book sounds amazing. I loved reading the interview. I don’t always read an entire interview, but this one is fascinating. Stories like this about Vara Rubin and Nacho Anaya are so important. When I was a child, I was given some Reader’s Digest Children’s Annuals. They had stories about inventors, explorers and discoverers, but so many of the stories were missing. Books like this help fill the gaps. Well done to Sandra. Can’t wait to read her books.


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